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Artist’s Obscurity<\/strong><\/p>\n

An etching from Paris Etching Society <\/strong>that was picked up at an estate auction. We wanted to see if I could dig up more information about this etching online. I figured I could “google” the painter and get something – no luck at all… it appears this painter never did another painting\/etching again and Paris Etching Society brings up too many random\/old links. I’m still hunting though.<\/p>\n

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Anyways, It’s an interesting etching by Louis Raymond.<\/em>
\nTitled: “The Pond<\/strong>“, Number 114, No date is given but from what I gather most of these were done in the late 30’s, Paris Etching Society NY, USA, Distributed by Turner (NY, Chicago, LA).<\/p>\n

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The etching is pretty similar to others done by PES, it contains mostly hues of greens, browns and blues… a small dirt path, lined with trees on the right with a small pond to the lower right – just to the side of the trees. In the background is a nice backdrop of blue sky and white clouds and the roof of a house just over the hill. Just around the bend is a small picket fence.<\/p>\n

It appears to be original work with original frame and backing. If you’re interested in a JPG snapshot drop me a line – if you have any more information on this etching or the painter send us a note… If you’re interested in showing your artwork posted here, send me an email with the JPG or PNG. Thanks!<\/p>\n

\u00c2\u00a0View previous comments after the jump…<\/em> <\/p>\n

Comments\u00c2\u00bb<\/p>\n

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1. Kathy – November 21, 2006<\/p>\n

I have recently come across another etching by Louis Raymond titled Autumn Morning #113. I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m certain it is from the 1930\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s as it is a family item, most of which came from those years. Similar colors to #114 on this web site. Pic is of a stream with water wheel. The water wheel building has a cotswold style roof and there is a bridge across the stream. I am fairly certain it was purchased from a store in Denver called Daniel\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s and Fisher\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s as my great aunt and great uncle both worked there and purchased many home furnishings. The original sticker is on the back indicating Genuine Etching distributed by Turner New York, CHICAGO Los Angeles. It is in the original gold frame. Unfortunately, the glass has been broken, fortunately, no damage to the picture.
\n2. cindy – January 22, 2007<\/p>\n

I have the same one, \u00e2\u20ac\u0153The Pond\u00e2\u20ac\u009d no. 62. I was looking for info on this also. Email me & I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122ll let you know what I find out. Thanks, Cindy<\/p>\n

3. Patti White – March 10, 2007<\/p>\n

I also found the same etching titled Autumn Morning #113 while going through my late parents home. I believe it belonged to my father\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s great aunts. We have had it in our family home for at least 50 years and I believe this piece would have been purchased in the New York area. It also has the original sticker on the back indicating Genuine Etching distributed by Turner New York, Chicago, Los Angeles. It also has a circle on the sticker with the letters SLL in it. I don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t know what this means as I am not an expert on art. Could there be two orgiginals of the same painting? Ours is also in its original gold frame. Please let me know if you found out anything else about your etchings. Thanks, Patti<\/p>\n

4. Steve Emerson – April 6, 2007<\/p>\n

My Mother received the same painting for a wedding present in 1946. Hers is #114 signed in the lower left. It also has a mark that is a circle with slz or sl2 not sure. There is also another mark looks like it says Lamarr in the lower right. If you have any information on this would you please letr me know. Thank-you in advance, Steve<\/p>\n

5. Lindsey Walden – April 24, 2007<\/p>\n

I also have two of the same paintings with the same markings. How you found out any information about them?<\/p>\n

6. Kimberly Freed – May 3, 2007<\/p>\n

I have 3 of these such etchings. 2 are signed in the right hand corner with Paul Granville the 3rd has a different signiture (unreadble). I have 1 Granville marked with #3 on the back. Same colors and style on all three.<\/p>\n

One is a pond scene with a house on the left. One is a pasture with a brown fence with a house in the back right. The third is a house on the left with what appears to be castle\/barn in the very far distance on the left.<\/p>\n

All three have the circle with an \u00e2\u20ac\u0153S\u00e2\u20ac\u009d and some other letters. All three have a different capital letter in the lower left side right below the end of the picture.<\/p>\n

All three have \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Made in France\u00e2\u20ac\u009d stamped on the back.<\/p>\n

We found them in my mothers house in a drawer un-framed. She was close to the Jersey\/NY border in NE PA.<\/p>\n

7. V Taylor – June 7, 2007<\/p>\n

I have nine of the etchings done by Sidney Z Lucas, who had a shop in Ney York named after his mother Camilla Lucas. In fact one of my prints does not have Paris Etching Society, it has Camilla Lucas. Sidney apparently went to France in the late 1030\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s and early 40\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s and commissioned different artists to do these prints, which he brought back to the sttes and sold from his shop. I have acquired some of these prints very cheaply, however some of them may be worth more, I have seen ads on the internet which are several hundred dollars, however I have decided to keep mine, because I love them and I want to collect them since some are available low prices.<\/p>\n

8. Sharley McMullen – June 18, 2007<\/p>\n

I have 2 – one is signed by Paul Granville the other has Martinet in lower right corner, on back it says Original Etching by Paul Granville It\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s titled
\n\u00e2\u20ac\u0153Near the Mill\u00e2\u20ac\u009d. The Granville signed one is \u00e2\u20ac\u0153The Beauce near Orleans\u00e2\u20ac\u009d.
\nBoth seem to have been done by the same artist. Pond scene, house is larger in one than the other, both have a very distintive tree in the foreground. They both have a seal that says geniune etching and on the label it says Paris Etching Society distributed by Turner. I brought them home from Fla but think they were purchased in the Los Angeles area.<\/p>\n

9. jen c – August 29, 2007<\/p>\n

i have one signed by louis raymond, it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s a cottage house. i picked it up at an antique store for $25.00 and i think it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s beautiful. i would, however, like more info about the artist, and a possible value.<\/p>\n

10. Sue Martin – October 1, 2007<\/p>\n

Today I purchased 2 that say Genuine Etching by Pierre entitled \u00e2\u20ac\u0153The Country Lane\u00e2\u20ac\u009d and \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Beautiful Countryside\u00e2\u20ac\u009d . They too are from the Paris Etching Society distributed by Turner and have the trademark of SLL in a circle.<\/p>\n

Anyone have a clue as to the actual value of these things???<\/p>\n

11. Jane Wolski – October 4, 2007<\/p>\n

I am trying to find information on a pencil drawing a have that
\ndoesn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t have a name. It is 2 \u00e2\u20ac\u0153tall ships\u00e2\u20ac\u009d small version\u00e2\u20ac\u00a6
\ncopyright1838 Camilla Lucas, NY -USA, triangle S.76 on the left,
\non the right of the pic just below it there is a pencil drawying of a
\npirate\/man and then the artists name. B. Meall or it could be
\nB. Mcaill. IF anyone has seen or knows anything about this
\npicture I would appreciate hearing from you.<\/p>\n

Thanks<\/p>\n

12. Jane Wolski – October 5, 2007<\/p>\n

Sorry, correction on the above the triangle does read SZL and the
\nname of the picture is Noilius Hoollandais. In my entire search today
\nI have not seen another copyright of 1838. I can\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t find anything on
\nCamilla as to when she started her gallery, only that her son
\noperated in later years. Does anyone out there know anything about
\nher gallery? I find it strange that my co date is that much older than
\neveryone elses\u00e2\u20ac\u00a6.<\/p>\n

13. Fran Pierce – October 23, 2007<\/p>\n

It appears that there are many of us who have rescued these prints at various times and from various places!
\nI have a beautiful old etching, in tones of brown, rose, blue and green, in what appears to be an original gold frame.
\nThe markings are:
\nTitled: La Dive
\nArtist signature – original in pencil: DeFontaine
\nSubject: An old cottage, stone footbridge, and small waterfall
\n(which, I believe is \u00e2\u20ac\u0153la dive?\u00e2\u20ac\u009d \ud83d\ude09
\nTriangle stamp with the letters SZL just above the title in lower
\nleft-hand corner
\nTop right, printed: Copyright 1935 Camilla Lucas-NY-USA
\nJane- I believe that your copyright is really 1938 – perhaps it is smudged? There is a good deal of information on Google about the Camilla Lucas gallery – it was only in existence from 1928 through 1954, I believe.
\nAny other info on these \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Camilla Lucas\u00e2\u20ac\u009d gallery prints would be greatly appreciated!<\/p>\n

14. suzanne – October 26, 2007<\/p>\n

I too have purchased etching titled Fur Du Liese SZL or SL2 not sure on left hand corner. Signed I believe by Martin.
\nCopyright Paris Etching Society NY USA
\nI just love the picture, however I am more interested in the Paris Etching Society when, where, how started, more about the society and the history of the society? I will continue to collect these lovely etchings.<\/p>\n

15. Sue Miller – October 26, 2007<\/p>\n

I have a genuine etching by Paul Granville titled \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Near the Mill\u00e2\u20ac\u009d
\nit is signed in the lower right corner. This was Paris Etching Society distributed by Turner. Please send any information regarding the value of this piece. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!!<\/p>\n

16. Mrs. L. Petrocelli – October 28, 2007<\/p>\n

I purchased one today at an estate sale. Mine is pencil signed on bottom right by Louis Raymond, and pencilled \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Matines\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 d\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 automne\u00e2\u20ac\u009d (or close to that) on botom left. It is numbered 113 and has SZL encircled. Also says Paris Etching Society, NY, USA on upper right. It is a mint condition picture (of house and bridge over water and dock, with trees and bushes) matted under glass. Any idea about the value? I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122d like to hear from anyone! Thanks!<\/p>\n

17. Kristen – December 9, 2007<\/p>\n

I purchased one with \u00e2\u20ac\u0153coyright Camilla Lucas 1936 NYC USA\u00e2\u20ac\u009d on the top right of an oval print of a man in the foreground and a woman in a hoop-skirted dress facing him in a coquette-ish pose. Predominant colors are also gold, blue, and brown. At the bottom in pencil is \u00e2\u20ac\u0153The Rendevous\u00e2\u20ac\u009d next the SZL stamp and what appears to be the artist\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s name \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Moro.\u00e2\u20ac\u009d I have not removed it from the oval frame and matting so I don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t know if there may be additional markings on the back.
\nThis is the best thread of postings I have found re Camilla Lucas prints so I wanted to share my information as well.<\/p>\n

18. Sean Cole – December 18, 2007<\/p>\n

I have a Paul Granville entitled \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Banks of the Eure\u00e2\u20ac\u009d
\nParis Etching Society Distributed by Borin Art Products Corp.
\nChicago.This etching was a gift to me in 1962 from my god mothers family. It hung in there Detroit home for over 30 years. It is very beautiful and has all its marks and is signed in pencil. I would also be happy to know about the artist.
\nMaybe we could do a show on line?<\/p>\n

19. suzanne lacroix – December 20, 2007<\/p>\n

i have a etching by cales with the sll seal called sur la rive.it is for sale please help with any info. thank you<\/p>\n

20. suzanne lacroix – December 20, 2007<\/p>\n

i sent an info for a sketch print .on it was a misprint.calex was the name of the artist for sur la rive<\/p>\n

21. Sean Cole – January 1, 2008<\/p>\n

I just found a gallery in Bocoa Raton Fl. called Picasso Mio.
\nThey have 4 Paul Granville etching for sale one is the \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Banks of the Eure\u00e2\u20ac\u009d There\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s is listed as untitled.It looks in fine shape in the Photo.<\/p>\n

22. missy – January 18, 2008<\/p>\n

I have 2 original Camilla Lucas prints in the original gold frame never been opened. NY city. I have \u00e2\u20ac\u0153The mayor went hunting\u00e2\u20ac\u009d and Adventures of a Fisherman 3. Does anyone have any info on the dates of these prints and the value. These belonged to my great-grandfather.<\/p>\n

23. kathy buckenmeyer – February 3, 2008<\/p>\n

I have 2 prints by Pierre with SLL on the bottom left along with another word penciled. It has a number by the SLL symbol and at the top the paris etching society. How can I find the valeu of these 2 prints? What is SLL?<\/p>\n

24. Lee Cherry – February 4, 2008<\/p>\n

The only reference I can find to fine art and SLL is the Socialist Labor League, which fits the era in which most of these paintings were created but may not be the source. SSL has also been referenced in auctions terms for specific paintings however I have no other references as to what it stands for or why those paintings were marked SSL.<\/p>\n

Fine art appraiser Sara Kinch states that these paintings usually may reveal initials \u00e2\u20ac\u0153SZL\u00e2\u20ac\u009d or \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Camilla Lucas\u00e2\u20ac\u009d written somewhere on the artwork.<\/p>\n

SZL is a reference to Sidney Z. Lucas who was the founder of the Paris Etching Society, Camilla Lucas was his mother and art gallery owner. Lucas commissioned etchings by contemporary French artists which he then published through the Paris Etching Society. The Paris Etching Society was located in New York City. The artist would sign his or her name on the etching, usually in pencil. The title of the artwork may also be added by the artist and this too would be written in pencil. The value for the etchings depends upon the notability of the particular artist who created the artwork. Although some etchings looked like watercolor they were in fact aquatint.<\/p>\n

25. S. Orlando – February 5, 2008<\/p>\n

I have a PES etching by De Fontaine called the Old Tower. It is numbered #1. Is a lower number more valuable? My grandfather was an artist in New York in the 1920\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s and I believe this was a wedding gift from a friend. It is in excellent condition with original markings, glass and frame. Thanks for any info<\/p>\n

26. Kathy – February 10, 2008<\/p>\n

I have an etching signed by R. Barnaix, which I believes translates to The End of the Village, (La Fin Du Hamean). Does anyone know how old this is and if it has any worth? Thank you.<\/p>\n

27. Linda – March 7, 2008<\/p>\n

I,too, have the same etching and I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m wondering the same! It belonged to my grandmother. It\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s a scene of a thatched-roof house. In the foreground are a fence, dirt path and a tree. If you have any new info, I would appreciate hearing from you. Thanks!<\/p>\n

28. Suzanne Garrett – March 12, 2008<\/p>\n

I also have an etching by Paul Granville that I recently found behind a print that I had reframed. It sounds like the one described by Kimberly Freed that has a small house on the left with a castle or barn in the distance also on the left. a path leads from the house to the foreground on the right where tall grasses and trees are located. The etching is also marked Paris Etching Society NY USA in the upper left corner and SZL in the lower left corner. Also in the lower left in pencil is something written in French, possible l\u00e2\u20ac\u2122ovneau, but I cannot be sure of this. Can you tell me anything about the artist or the Paris Etching Society?
\n29. MJ – March 13, 2008<\/p>\n

I FOUND AN OLD ETCHING \u00e2\u20ac\u0153PARIS ETCHING SOCIETY\u00e2\u20ac\u009dTREE TO THE LEFTOF A DIRT PATH WITH A STREAM TO THE LEFT OF THE TREE. SIGNED BY G.E CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THE LAST NAME. WONDERING IF ANYONE MIGHT KNOW WQH IT IS.<\/p>\n

30. P Hanks – April 9, 2008<\/p>\n

Could you pls help me with history, age, value of a colored Lithograph (approv 5\u00e2\u20ac\u00b3x7\u00e2\u20ac\u00b3 \ud83d\ude09 I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122ve recently acquired?
\nThe Lithograph is of a pretty young lady, with pinkish flowers in her short\/braided hair. She\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s wearing a pint (with some white) bow on her neck. Dress front is make of large pink bows – dress shoulders & sleeves are bluish with pinkish flowers between 3-4 \u00e2\u20ac\u0153hash\u00e2\u20ac\u009d marks. Lady is holding bouqet of springlike white and pink flowers on her Left arm – larger pink bow\/flower(?) on Right arm.
\nThe Litho has the following (small lettering across bottom of print): \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Madame Pompadour NO B 163 f Boucher litho in USA\u00e2\u20ac\u009d Just above the litho in USA wording is a (small) greenish\/golden circle with a S L above a curvy L inside the circle. (SLL?)
\nYoung lady is slightly younger and prettier (and more upright) than Boucher\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s original version of Madame Pompadour I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122ve seen on Internet. That Madame Pompadour is actually reclining, as I understand from my research.
\nThe Litho is framed in greenish\/goldish wooden frame with red trimline. Back of frame has paper cover glued on – with a sticker that says \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Picture Lines of Distinction Genuine Artograph Trade Mark Artograph Co. Brooklyn NY\u00e2\u20ac\u009d I can\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t find any (Litho\/artist related) contact info for the Artograph Co in Brooklyn NY.
\nAny assistance will be appreciated. Thx!<\/p>\n

31. P Hanks – April 9, 2008<\/p>\n

UNBELIEVABLE!! I search without any result – then try one more time, and find a match of sorts. It\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s the same young lady I found just now on a Lamp recently listed on eBay.com.
\nMy search terms were: Boucher Pompadour Lamp
\nPLS NOTE: mine is a LITHO – not a Lamp. Not trying to sell the Litho – just trying to determine history and value of this Litho.
\nThx again!<\/p>\n

32. Paige – April 12, 2008<\/p>\n

I have an etching by Mauice Toundary(hard to read, might have mistaked letters) It is called Route on Automme-France. Any additional information would be great. The picture is a rainy road with trees on both sides with a small house on right.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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